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  • Masters of the Universe Classics – Beyond Vintage (a The Fwoosh article)

    Feel free to discuss, I'll post my thoughts later on:

    Masters of the Universe Classics – Beyond Vintage

    I’m going to be brutally honest here — there are aspects of collecting Masters of the Universe Classics that make me tired. Don’t get me wrong, I love the toys and I love the line, and the fact that it exists is wonderful thing. But I get tired of hearing about Toy Guru and people’s opinions on Toy Guru. I get tired of people finding something wrong with every single figure. I get tired of the endless complaining about Matty’s horrible incompetence. The problem with that is that there are people right now that are saying, “We wouldn’t have so much to complain about if there wasn’t so much to complain about.??? Which is fine, I guess, in a circular logic sort of way. Hey, if you want to wallow in the negative, go nuts. Sure, things aren’t absolutely perfect, and people passionate about a property can get all keyed up about things. But I don’t collect toys to be miserable. So I’d rather think about the things that do excite me. Now that I’ve probably driven away 3/4ths of the readers, I want to get to the eventual point of the article, and the thing that makes me genuinely excited about this line: post-vintage.

    There’s a significant amount of people that have been biting their nails and furrowing their brow over the fact that they may not get all the vintage toys in updated form. Because that’s why they’re into it. And that’s cool too. But they tend to see everything that isn’t vintage as a waste of a space. Personally, I love the vintage recreations, and share the same view that getting brand new updated versions of those well-loved versions from way back when is awesome, and having a full set will be the culmination of something beautiful. When I think about the fact that I’ll have the versions that I was really playing with in my head all those years ago, the ones that were articulated and realistic — that’s damn cool. So I get it. But my MOTUC fury doesn’t stop with vintage. There’s a potential here for something that none of us got as kids: a toy line that doesn’t end.

    There’s a truth that you come to grips with when you’re a kid, even if you don’t want to. It’s a truth that endless fruitless trips to the toy aisle eventually lets you in on, and that truth is that a toy line doesn’t keep going just because you want it to. That fourth wave of Super Powers? Not happening, and the third wave might as well not have existed. That third wave of Secret Wars? No such thing. COPS are done. MASK is through. Even toy lines that somehow manage to continue on become a pale parody of themselves, like when GI Joe suddenly got all neon and fluorescent and incorporated Street Fighter characters or something.

    But Masters of the Universe is getting a second shot. Vintage will end, and everyone that was made will be made again, but that doesn’t mean the end of anything.

    It can keep going.

    First, there’s plenty of life in the various media to stripmine. There are cartoon characters that have never been made and mini-comic originals that we still don’t have. The various books or magazines still have viable character choices. They’ve already proven themselves a great font of character, giving us choices like Plundor, Goat Man, and Geldor. The cartoons generated plenty of one-off characters that could revitalize a post-vintage line. Beyond that, there’s concept characters that the original minds working on the line never saw in plastic form, many of which are just a half-step away from being as awesome as anything that was legitimized on the toy shelves. I never got that Power and Honor Catalog, but from what I’ve seen there’s a lot in there that could be finally given its due.

    But once the cartoons have been picked over, and the comics and the Princess of Power and New Adventures lines have been seeded into the line, what’s left?

    Plenty.

    There’s already hints of what might be coming up with all of the talk of “Son of He-Man??? along with — oh god, it hurts to even say it — ???Skeleteen.???

    Side note on Skeleteen. Stop it with Skeleteen. That is a horrible, horrible name.

    Horrible.

    There’s resistance to the Son of He-Man stuff, and I get that, because it can end up going horribly wrong — for instance, there could be a character called “Skeleteen.??? But anything can be done and done well. I think my main problem with digging into the Son of He-Man stuff is it’s not that far removed from what we have currently. Calling a kid “Dare??? and dumping some teenage angst on him doesn’t add much to the overall mythos, and it can end up being way too “James Bond Jr.???

    I’m more in favor of just adding on to what we have. More villains. More good guys. If you have to go to the future… then really go to the future. Kick it into high gear and make the line more about the “Masters of the Universe??? than it is about one dude with muscles. He-Man is a fun character and has obviously always been the centerpoint and mascot of the line, but I think basing everything around him can lead to a certain level of stagnation. I know that may be heresy to those who see the line more as “He-Man and the Masters of the Universe??? but a toy line — especially one like this — has to evolve, or it will die.

    I’d be way more interested in a time on Eternia that’s a lot further away than a single generation. This line could grow into a huge, imaginative line that deals with an Eternia thousands of years later. The familiar things like Power Swords, Grayskulls, and world-threatening evils can continue in some fashion, but I’d love to see the concepts evolve. Or it could go backwards and open up the time when all those fun vehicles were first created, like the Battle Ram and the Talon Fighter. What kind of battle went on back then? That’s what I’m interested in. I want to see the characters that populated those times, and I’d like to see what some fertile imaginations can come up with to populate these times. Let the Horsemen go nuts and forge ahead with their own vision of MOTU once vintage is over; they’ve already proven to be great designers and clearly have a handle on what MOTU is. Bring in those great Fuerza-T mash-ups and incorporate them into the line somewhere. There’s probably a great story behind the beginnings of the Horde Empire and who went against them — I’d like to see that. All new villains with insane designs and unique heroes from all corners of the universe to fight them? Sounds awesome.

    And the great thing about this is that you can completely ignore anything about the story itself and just add more and more cool toys to the collection. They can be in the past, the present, or the future. The loss of vintage will be a bittersweet thing, but it could also unleash the potential in a line to really embrace truth in the name that was hung on it three decades ago: Masters of the Universe.

    http://thefwoosh.com/2014/06/masters...beyond-vintage
    “Freedom of speech doesn't protect speech that you like, freedom of speech protects speech that you hate." ― Ron Jeremy

  • #2
    Of course it can keep going, buuuut with current management... nu-uh.
    “A society that gets rid of all its troublemakers goes downhill." ― Robert A. Heinlein

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    • #3
      Skeleteen. Reason enough to put the final nail in the coffin.
      "If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all." ― Noam Chomsky

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      • #4
        I agree with DM and Draego, just to think of Neitlich being in charge of what's coming is a major turn off for me! His ideas, his uncreative imagination, his pathetic personality, his ego, his manipulations and his continuous lying tell me to stay away...

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        • #5
          Urm. No. This line needs to end for my sanity sake. Characters beyond vintage would be nice but I doubt it would be sustainable. We will probably be paying $40 for figures with no accessories. And the subscription will lock is into getting toys that we have no emotional attachment to like Draego-Man and TMS. So no thank you.
          “Censorship always defeats it own purpose, for it creates in the end the kind of society that is incapable of exercising real discretion." ― Henry Steele Commager

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          • #6
            Im glad someone from the Fwoosh (online nerd forum that orgers seem to clamor to for news and blindly follow) wrote this. It basically sums up my feelings.

            1. The line is not perfect. Deal with it! Some extremes just need to let go of their personal gripes (Double Chin babble, Crita VS Mara, Crita or Mara, whose hotter whose better, Crita, Mara blah blah blah, NA barely makes the cut, deal with it), and focus on the real issues that plague it if they want to be taken seriously.

            2. Enjoy what you have. The line is diverse and awesome, saved for a few of TGs blunders. Just don't buy them. Cherry Pick!

            3. Skeleteen and Dare puts people off (maybe if there was new media, and kids were gobbling it up, then it could be accepted, but vintage lovers, Filmation fans and the die hards that support this line don't care for it, and they are your market), and TG is not creative. He approves shit bios at a 3rd grade reading level. Don't support his lame ideas.
            Last edited by Sky Runner; 06-21-2014, 05:24 PM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Sky Runner View Post
              Im glad someone from the Fwoosh (online nerd forum that orgers seem to clamor to for news and blindly follow) wrote this. It basically sums up my feelings.

              1. The line is not perfect. Deal with it! Some extremes just need to let go of their personal gripes (Double Chin babble, Crita VS Mara, Crita or Mara, whose hotter whose better, Crita, Mara blah blah blah, NA barely makes the cut, deal with it), and focus on the real issues that plague it if they want to be taken seriously.

              2. Enjoy what you have. The line is diverse and awesome, saved for a few of TGs blunders. Just don't buy them. Cherry Pick!

              3. Skeleteen and Dare puts people off (maybe if there was new media, and kids were gobbling it up, then it could be accepted, but vintage lovers, Filmation fans and the die hards that support this line don't care for it, and they are your market), and TG is not creative. He approves shit bios at a 3rd grade reading level. Don't support his lame ideas.
              1- I disagree, it's like if I start calling you names and bulling you, and tell you to deal with it if you don't like my manners! That's not how things work, when people sign up for those expensive subscriptions and put their hard earned money upfront by signing a contract, they would expect top notch service and high quality products as they've been promised! People can only take so much of such crap over the years, and have very legitimate reasons to voice their unsatisfaction loudly. Yes some do over nitpick on dumb little things, but most collectors don't, they just need a flawless product whenever possible.

              2- I somehow agree, however, when you're already locked in a contract, legally you cannot just undone that contract without going through loopholes by canceling the credit cards and such. And BTW most people work and cannot be right there battling on Matty when the DOS starts, otherwise the whole line would have not survived to this day, at least according to Mattel.

              3- Agreed. But just to let you know, most of those bios were written by TG himself.

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                1. You can disagree, however, Mattel can't sucker you and force you into buying a sub. People choose to do that. Also with now 6 years of the same BS, people have to be accountable for their own unhappiness. Yes, there is some blame on Mattel's end, but alot of the worst of the experiences are self perpetuated. I remember an orger or two screaming about how they have to pay a customizers to fix Mattel's mistakes because he is not happy with the figures. To me, that is uttery hilarious. Either like it and buy it, or hate it and don't buy it. I have zero interest in $400 designer shoes. Why would I buy them and be miserable about it? I'm happy with 4 pairs of $100 shoes. So your bully analogy is not the same. Sorry.

                2. Consumers have power, not Mattel. I subbed once a very long time ago. Then TG made some announcements that I did not like.
                I explained to my credit card company that they are shiesters and I'm not going to commit to buying. I cancelled my sub and walked away happily. Maybe its different because i'm in Canada?

                3. Can this be proven? Oh wait, what am I asking here!? I believe you.
                Last edited by Sky Runner; 06-22-2014, 01:09 AM.

              • Mechanizor
                Mechanizor commented
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                1- True that Mattel can't force you into buying a sub if you have the will power, however, I can understand some of your reasoning if it only applied on the same old subbers who know exactly what to expect, but every year there is a new wave of new subscribers that don't know or believe much of what's been going around until they take bait and fall into the trap themselves! You cannot just set there and tell them this is how it is and deal with it, that's what Val and company basically have been preaching lately, just brushing off the problems away as if everything is God sent!

                2- I was also arguing about the cherry picking tactic, it might work for some, but not for most who work and don't have the time or the privilege to access the internet when the items they're after go on sale... So basically your argument falls into either you buy it or you don't!

                All I'm saying when people fought loudly, they had some of the flaws fixed, probably not everything went as planned, but they've managed to force Mattel to do a few changes after all. Battles still can be fought before surrendering or quitting...

            • #8
              Originally posted by Sky Runner View Post
              Im glad someone from the Fwoosh (online nerd forum that orgers seem to clamor to for news and blindly follow) wrote this. It basically sums up my feelings.

              1. The line is not perfect. Deal with it! Some extremes just need to let go of their personal gripes (Double Chin babble, Crita VS Mara, Crita or Mara, whose hotter whose better, Crita, Mara blah blah blah, NA barely makes the cut, deal with it), and focus on the real issues that plague it if they want to be taken seriously.

              2. Enjoy what you have. The line is diverse and awesome, saved for a few of TGs blunders. Just don't buy them. Cherry Pick!

              3. Skeleteen and Dare puts people off (maybe if there was new media, and kids were gobbling it up, then it could be accepted, but vintage lovers, Filmation fans and the die hards that support this line don't care for it, and they are your market), and TG is not creative. He approves shit bios at a 3rd grade reading level. Don't support his lame ideas.
              #1 The line is not perfect. Deal with it? Roboto's are cracking for no reason - still. Fat armor makes figures look cartoonish. For every Two-Bad and Modulok there seems to be a basic screw-up that didn't need to happen - Double Trouble's face is crap, it's a real problem for me and I am disappoint, Blade needs aftermarket swords, Failmation Hordak has a cheap repaint head. My problems are Quality Control and Design. Horde Troopers are NOT Evergreen and that is the only figure I planned on army building. I am picked my battles and have been ignored at every turn.

              #2 Just don't buy them? If you sub, you have no choice. No one is forcing me to sub? Well, how would I have been able to purchase a Teela in Early access or actually get a Horde Trooper set for less than $89.00? I WANT the figures to be well made, designed well and be successful. "Few of TG's blunders". Seriously? This guy lies constantly, is a megalomaniac, has single-handedly destroyed the ORG and split the fans.

              #3 I am for new media, but as long as it's GOOD. Spector bad, Draego-Man good.
              “Anything is a dildo, if you're brave enough"
              Thomas Jefferson

              Always looking to trade MOTUC to complete my collection.

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              • Mechanizor
                Mechanizor commented
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                Again, good points.

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