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    The best thing to come out of SDCC: 'Son of He-Man' Filmation's "new adventures" series pitch!

    http://www.he-man.org/news_article.php?id=4227

    Lets all give thanks to Penny Dreadful for sharing this with the whole community as best as she was permiteded to do so. What a trooper that wonderful Penny is!

    SO what do you guys think? Sounds legit to me...I even like some of the concepts!
    Once upon a time, good advice was "be kind Rewind"now nobody remembers the past.

    Masters of the universe The LOST TALES (a series of vintage style fan-comics and children's books)

  • #2
    YUCK!!!!..........

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    • Mechanizor
      Mechanizor commented
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      Yuck indeed...

  • #3
    Garbage. No wonder it was rejected.
    "The first condition of progress is that there is no censorship"

    Happy in his folly, the fool embraces the devil...

    IDH Custom toys

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    • #4
      so this was rejected and bad mouthed but because guru likes it we're getting it rammed down our fandom throats and expected to like it. well to **** with that


      seriously the whole thing screams as a rip off, of superman and the cable saga from x-men

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      • #5
        Well, I'm certainly glad someone known for carrying Scott's water has verified this mysterious pitch! And with absolutely no physical evidence whatsoever to boot!

        ...oh, wait...
        Not every beast is tender, especially if there is genius in his making.

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        • #6
          What a terrible idea that was, and if Scott wants to revive this crap, I hope it fails miserably.

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          • #7
            This new read is pure and utter garbage. I didnt think the motu universe could get any worse, and i was wrong. It really surprises me that Danielle just happened to be the one that Scott confided the new read to. Dont be surprised to hear the org push for that ridiculous next chapter of motu to become a reality.

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            • #8
              Yeash. Tough crowd. LOL. Have to admit I thought this would be a HAPPY thread! Boy did I judge that wrong!

              I honestly like some of the ideas. Especially He-Man and Skeletor being "The Ancients" to a whole new Next Generation in the far flung future. Shades of Star Trek AND Star WARS!

              The live action stuff sounds a lot like Captain Power IMO.

              Shadow Weaver and Skeletor bumbed uglies. NOBODY is gonna make a crude joke?


              Oh well, Just "wrong crowed" I guess. I'm not fan of Scott, but he has HARDLY anything to do with this lost historical tidbit, other then sharing it with someone who in turn share it with us AS BEST SCOTT WOULD LET THEM! Can't we at the VERY LEAST say "thanks Danielle"

              It doesn't have to be so us vs them you know

              INDEED I'd love pics...But Hey, can't we just focus on the content we DO HAVE?
              Last edited by Shawn; 07-29-2014, 01:18 AM.
              Once upon a time, good advice was "be kind Rewind"now nobody remembers the past.

              Masters of the universe The LOST TALES (a series of vintage style fan-comics and children's books)

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              • GREP-A-TOR
                GREP-A-TOR commented
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                Thanks Danielle for saying nothing when your so called "friends" have been thrown under the bus by Val and Scooter.

                Us vs them? You mean people who lie versus people who do not like to be lied to and censored?

              • Captain Atkin
                Captain Atkin commented
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                Hey guys... I don't see any reason to get upset about Danielle posting that article. It is what it is, and some people will enjoy it, while others won't. On a purely historical note, I think it is an interesting article to read, but that doesn't mean that I consider any of the ideas in it to be particularly good. Son of He-Man was a failed series pitch, and it is obvious when reading it to see why it failed.

                For the Org to have posted that article, which gives very detailed information on the 'Son of He-Man' series pitch, I am sure that they would have had to ask for Scott's blessing to post it. I'm sure this was a calculated move on Scott's part to get fan feedback on what we like and don't like. Danielle probably did ask for years to see it (as a lot of people did), but for Scott to freely share Mattel documents like that with fans had to be a calculated move to guage fan interest. Those fans at that party were essentially used as an unpaid focus group, as are the fans now reading it at the Org. Scott most likely wants to see what works and what doesn't work with the fans to ensure future sales.

            • #9
              Originally posted by Jsting View Post
              It really surprises me that Danielle just happened to be the one that Scott confided the new read to. Dont be surprised to hear the org push for that ridiculous next chapter of motu to become a reality.
              OK that's a bit far IMO! Danielle kept asking him and Scott caved. WE THE FANS won, Scott gave in, that's a victory! Sure the .Org is a bit "pro Guru" but are we not just as much if not MORE "anti-Guru". Danielle IS AWESOME. I'm not sure I like what your insinuating? I hope I'm just reading to much into what you say.
              Once upon a time, good advice was "be kind Rewind"now nobody remembers the past.

              Masters of the universe The LOST TALES (a series of vintage style fan-comics and children's books)

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              • Captain Atkin
                Captain Atkin commented
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                Shawn, I don't think Scott gave in to anyone. I'm pretty sure showing it to the people at the party, and then having the details posted online for all to read (and comment on) was done for market research purposes. He is getting valuable feedback from the fans right now before anything gets released in a future toy line. Some may see it as a victory, but I just see it as business as usual. Scott wants the "Son of He-Man" line to succeed, and I'm sure he allowed this article to be posted to get fan feedback, so he can make the line appeal more to fans.

            • #10
              of course He-Man.org LOVES the idea

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              • #11
                Originally posted by Shawn View Post
                Yeash. Tough crowd. LOL. Have to admit I thought this would be a HAPPY thread! Boy did I judge that wrong!

                I honestly like some of the ideas. Especially He-Man and Skeletor being "The Ancients" to a whole new Next Generation in the far flung future. Shades of Star Trek AND Star WARS!

                The live action stuff sounds a lot like Captain Power IMO.

                Shadow Weaver and Skeletor bumbed uglies. NOBODY is gonna make a crude joke?


                Oh well, Just "wrong crowed" I guess. I'm not fan of Scott, but he has HARDLY anything to do with this lost historical tidbit, other then sharing it with someone who in turn share it with us AS BEST SCOTT WOULD LET THEM! Can't we at the VERY LEAST say "thanks Danielle"

                It doesn't have to be so us vs them you know

                INDEED I'd love pics...But Hey, can't we just focus on the content we DO HAVE?
                It has nothing to do us vs them! IMO the whole pitch sucks ass, that's why it was rejected in the first place, and Scott wants to revive it by putting his own spin on it!
                There are a lot of great writers and talented fans out there who could put out a million times better new material to carry on the legacy of this brand, not that junk!!!

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                • Shawn
                  Shawn commented
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                  It wasn't completely rejected. Some of it survived into what did become the New Adventures. Some of it was dusted off by Lou him self in 1996, though Mattel didn't care then. They do now, so that's why this was dusted off. So "failed" isn't the word I would use.

                  Scott is no writer. I wish he would stop trying to be. Though, once in a while he has a good idea. Even the stupidest man on earth probably had at least one good idea so that isn't saying much
                  Last edited by Shawn; 08-01-2014, 03:20 AM.

                • Mechanizor
                  Mechanizor commented
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                  I still think you give Scott more credit than what he deserves in terms of creativity. ;-)

              • #12
                Considering it was rejected once, and Toyguru's been a blight on MOTUC, I can honestly see this pitch being dead and buried before it ever gets off the ground.

                If there isn't enough life (and money) in He-Man.org to sustain 200X, and now MOTUC to Mattel's seemingly impossible sales standard, how will this hodge podge crap stew be a success?

                If TrollScrewyou Scoot Nutlick has any input (from a creative stand point) in this new series, it won't fly. The MOTUC bio cards utterly blow and seem to only be accepted by about half the community (maybe less), how is that a recipie for success? Even saying "Skeleteen" out loud makes me vomit in the back of my mouth.
                Last edited by Sky Runner; 07-29-2014, 02:41 AM.

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                • Mechanizor
                  Mechanizor commented
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                  LMAO..."TrollScrewyou Scoot Nutlick"... You should be one of the writers if they're looking for a humorous pitch!

                • Guest's Avatar
                  Guest commented
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                  I would much rather me noticed for my positive threads, but such is not the case here. Nor was it the case at He-Bitch.org. I'm glad you find some humor in my attacks on TrollScrewYou.

                • Mechanizor
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                  You = Positive threads, Muahaha!...(Just kidding!). Come on Sky, you know that we like you here. :-)

              • #13
                Thank you to Penny Dreadful for posting this.

                This pitch reads like MOTU fan-fiction. I can see why the concept was not used.

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                • #14
                  Why in the world would someone want to use a rejected pitch from the late 80s to expand on Masters of the Universe: Classics? The only answer I can think of is this: it is easier to use a rejected storyline found in a filing cabinet than it is to create something new.
                  "We must always value life. Even the life of one who opposes us." ― He-Man

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                  • Croc-O-Bite!
                    Croc-O-Bite! commented
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                    .....especially when we're talking about someone as uncreative as Neitlich.

                  • D.M.
                    D.M. commented
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                    It wouldn't have been so bad if he were able to actually salvage good bits and combine it into something good. Heck, that's pretty much how pitches are developed. Write a pitch, review it, dump the bad parts while keeping the good parts, write a new draft and so on until it looks right.

                  • Shawn
                    Shawn commented
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                    D.M. I thought the answer obvious. "In Mattel system "good" is "bad" and "bad is Good" :P

                    What do you think the good bits are?

                • #15
                  I agree that's a terrible idea and no wonder it got rejected. The really scary thought is that if Toy gollum has access to this then he has access to everything in the Motu library,the whole shabang,which means anything ever written,pitched,drawn and mocked up will be at his disposal to ruin,the whole mythos may need to be redone once he's finished. Of course the org would love it,they're practically eating out of his lap now a days.

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                  • Novelty
                    Novelty commented
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                    They are giving him a lap dance and he's having a climax from all the praise...

                  • Guest's Avatar
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                    Its NOT Scott's LAP that they get their sustinance from. Keep feeling around, you'll find it.

                • #16
                  Why in the world do we need to expand on what is a great story. I understand the need for new merchandise but at what point do we kill what made the original the best toyline ever, imo, there was a reason it was rejected as many have stated. This idea of pushing for this new story is ridiculous. There is no originality in the story. The new characters are bland, skeleteen, really a skeletor teen, come on now, and he has a Mohawk. I find it very funny that scott found this book at the time when classics is ending. This is his way of pushing for those awful new characters. Why cant we continue to have he man vs skeletor. At what point did he man become obsolete. For me, motu has and will always be he man vs skeletor. Without he man there is nothing. Thats my take on this.

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                  • Shawn
                    Shawn commented
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                    I'm not ready to AFA my MOC collection and call it a day. Especially since I care more for story then toys. I guess I just see MOTU differently then you do? I see it as a never ending story throughout the expanse of the Multiverse. This is just a permutation of that. it's just ONE story that COULD have happened, or MIGHT happen. It takes nothing away from the stories that came before. (damn...Now I sound like a DC52 apologist and I REALLY dislike the DC52...)

                    But to your point, He-man isn't obsolete. he is "KING" just like Randor was before him and in this story, he is the ANCIENT KING, almost like he became the elders from which he he gets his powers from...
                    Last edited by Shawn; 08-01-2014, 06:48 AM.

                • #17
                  Shawn I don't think it is an us vs them aspect I love looking at the history of the brand and this is another interesting look at some of the behind the scenes aspects and I agree it has some very interesting elements like as you said he-man and skeletor as mythical beings being used as guides to they're respective sons That being said it has a hell of a lot of poor elements skeleteen reads and sounds like a bad image 90s comic book. But on the whole debate you have to think it is convenient that Scott allowed this pitch to be seen that happens to feature a character he inserted which was met with major negative feedback just as the main line is ending with a rumoured rebranding.

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                  • #18
                    Originally posted by Shawn View Post
                    The best thing to come out of SDCC: 'Son of He-Man' Filmation's "new adventures" series pitch!

                    http://www.he-man.org/news_article.php?id=4227

                    Lets all give thanks to Penny Dreadful for sharing this with the whole community as best as she was permiteded to do so. What a trooper that wonderful Penny is!

                    SO what do you guys think? Sounds legit to me...I even like some of the concepts!
                    Pure S'H'I'T man. "Sharing this with the community as she was permitted"? We should all be so lucky to bow down to all mighty Scooter and taste the crumbs from his plate.

                    I need to see notiarized original copies at this point, I trust nothing Scooter says he found, he is a liar and plagiarist.

                    Having the inner circle of the Org regurgitate his bullspit does not make it any truer.
                    “Anything is a dildo, if you're brave enough"
                    Thomas Jefferson

                    Always looking to trade MOTUC to complete my collection.

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                    • Shawn
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                  • #19
                    1. It's a terrible pitch, full stop. If you can't see that and are excited about it, well...good for you, I suppose. The rest of us aren't obliged to humor your tastes.

                    No one is saying it is terrible for the sake of disagreeing with anyone else, they are saying it is terrible because it is objectively terrible. Stop making it about the org and/or yourself.

                    2. I don't believe for one minute that it is genuine. There are innumerable cues that the story is a lie, the most obvious being the provision of extraneous information - no one speaks or writes like that casually.

                    3. Regardless of that, it would be the simplest thing in the world to scan a few pages and provide those to the community for perusal, except that, if it exists at all, there are enough knowledgeable fans out there that there that an artificially aged document it would be debunked even based on a scan.
                    Not every beast is tender, especially if there is genius in his making.

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                    • Shawn
                      Shawn commented
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                      1. while I disagree a little bit with the first part, you are 100% absolutely correct, it isn't about me. I didn't think I was making it out to be about me? sorry if it seams that way. What do you think I could have done to prevent you from thinking that? Nobody is obliged to do anything, except for death and taxes But it is clearly about the .org for some. Yeah. I don't always have fun on that site But this wasn't one of them. I got excited. I wanted to share my excitement. sorry if that got on your nerves. I'm just being me.

                      2. OOOOOH. Yes. please. I would love to read about why you think it a lie. I'm not mocking you. I LIKE to read what people think and why, even when I don't agree. Please continue?

                      3. I agree. SCANS ARE REQUIRED!

                  • #20
                    iceman over on the org just brought something up

                    Where does NA and Jack Olesker fit into this? I thought he created a lot of what went into NA... (please correct me if Im wrong, I dont know much about it)
                    hmm god question

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                    • #21
                      Some of it seems interesting, but you can clearly tell this was an early pitch as there's a lot that wasn't good about it such as live action sequences and heavier emphasis on humor.
                      The 90's Son of He-Man is far more superior, IMO.
                      “A society that gets rid of all its troublemakers goes downhill." ― Robert A. Heinlein

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                      • #22
                        The counter-question regarding its validity: If this were the kind of stuff Neitlich were inclined to make up, why didn't we see something similar with the Unnamed One earlier this year?

                        The man's a marketing type through and through, so you have to take whatever he says with a grain of salt, but while he'll try to appeal to vintage nostalgia when he can, the pattern doesn't support an elaborate hoax of this sort.

                        That said, this wasn't a very good idea, and I'm glad Mattel scrapped it. (I don't think much of the 90s pitch, either.) Now, I don't have the Cereal:Geek issue that discusses He-Man and the Masters of Space, so how does that match and differ from this one? My guess, based on what I've heard, was that this was the first pitch, MoS would be the second (probably after Mattel said "We want to keep He-Man and Skeletor central" to the story), and after Filmation closed, they moved over to Jetlag/DiC.

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                        • D.M.
                          D.M. commented
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                          Sorry. Can't hear you over SKELETOR IS A DEMON FROM ANOTHER DIMENSION. :P

                        • Matthew L. Martin
                          Matthew L. Martin commented
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                          IMVC, part of Skeletor is a demon from another dimension--or rather, what's left of one after it spent much of its power trying to seize and corrupt the magic of Preternia. Keldor's the other part.

                        • Shawn
                          Shawn commented
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                          The unnamed One....

                          because perhaps, there was already a legitimately canon point of reference for that? With this story "leak" now one exist for Skeleteen and Dare. where as before we saw The Mighty Backlash regarding Specter...and plenty of us thought he "made up" skeleteen & dare (myself included)

                      • #23
                        Son of He-Man is such a terrible idea. That's why mattel passed on it the first time!!!
                        “The internet treats censorship as a malfunction and routes around it." ― John Perry Barlow

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                        • #24
                          Was just at the org, as a spectator cuz im banned, lol. Seems Jack Olesker chimed in on who actually created the story for NA. I'm very glad that he set the record straight. Guess this new find may not be all its been made out to be by a certain guru.

                          Originally posted by Heeeere's Olesker!
                          I did create the entire final 96-page series bible for the production of NA, as well as 38 episodes after Mattel made a formal presentation of their concept and prototypes to me. I created my series bible was exclusively based on material presented to me by Mattel at a formal presentation meeting. As I have in other posts, Mattel presented me with broad strokes for the storyline and characters in their two waves of action figures and then let me go with them. Additionally, they graciously gave me the latitude to create a number of characters from 'whole cloth'. Finally, at no time did I see the series bible referenced in this threat and certainly not the previous one from Filmation. Had I been presented with either of those bibles I would have declined to review them out of respect for the authors and so as not to be influenced by their work. The degree to which the work in those two series bibles was part of Mattel's presentation to me is something I cannot definitively comment on because I simply do not know the answer, but after years of wonderful work with Mattel I'm confident in speculating that the original concepts for the characters and storylines derived from Mattel, originated by Mattel's highly creative staff.

                          EDIT: 13977, at last I know who that fellow was sitting in the back of the conference room at Mattel. :hmlol:

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                          • Dark Angel
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                            Why, I'm shocked! SHOCKED! *clutches pearls*

                        • #25
                          Nothing about Mr. Olesker's comments really contradicts what we've seen here--Mattel came up with the core line, Filmation built a couple of pitches around them, Mattel rejected them and went over to Jetlag, and Mr. Olesker built the NA we know on top of the Mattel-originated material.

                          (And my 100th post winds up being about the New Adventures. Ironic. )

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                          • D.M.
                            D.M. commented
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                            They went to Jetlag because Filmation closed.

                          • Shawn
                            Shawn commented
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                            Also, Darious and Crystol and the "forign names" like Brakk made it in non American stories because their development predates the mini comics and Jack's involvement. Indeed, It seams that this pitch actually explains more then it contradicts...I'd love to be able to confirm that by playing internet detective with the evidence.

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