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  • NA in MOTUC form (why hatred)?

    I have read time and time again that NA cartoon series and vintage NA line had few fans. Same seems to be the case with NA MOTUC figures. I am equally fan of this incarnation of he-man as of any other out there. I like the NA MOTUC figures a lot. Sadly I have the feeling we will never see the complete figure series of both remaining evil mutants and galactic protectors in MOTUC form :bang:
    If you like the figures old or new and the cartoon series state your reasons for or against.
    I gave a try to cartoon series (even though my expectations were not high) and I end up liking it especially the evil mutants. It did not bother me that many known characters were not part of the show like beast man,orko,ram man etc. I just like the series for what it was. Much more action driven then Filmation.
    In MOTUC I like the idea that NA He-man comes with extra head,that she-ra is included in NA and that Skelly has an awesome sculpt.
    I like vintage NA toy line because of the art on the packages, mini comics, old tv ads for the toyline, great looking playsets.

  • #2
    My limited perception of the New Adventures is this.....HE-MAN's BACK?! AWESOME! wait. what? this isn't my he-man what's this? but that is aimed at the toon.

    I guess I missed out on the toon and figures. never knew either existed.

    My "hatred" is aimed at the figures. by the looks of them they are horrid and because of that I'm glad I did miss out on them. what was the body used? Ken? no seriously was it Ken's? or something or someone else's?

    But when the classic version of Optikk and NA He-Man came along my opinion greatly changed.

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    • #3
      I think the hatred really comes from the different look of those figures. Fans like the original bulky figures, and NA were just too skinny. The two lines really didn't mix-and-match very well. So some people who grew up not liking that style ended up not being fans of them in MOTUC. Personally, I LOVE the NA figures that have been made for MOTUC. Only figure I haven't liked is NA Skeletor because of the fat suit they gave him. I want every NA character from the 90s made into figures for MOTUC.
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      • #4
        I don't like the design of most of them. The color choices are ugly in my eyes as well (dirty gold and neon green? really?). I hate NA He-Man's look too.

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        • #5
          The NA cartoon is absolutely terrible. One of the dude's who worked on it has even apologized repeatedly for how poor it was on that other website.

          I like Optik and Slushhead. Hydron is crap. Unsellable, un-tradeable - with fat armor.

          A few months ago, my friend tried to watch NA cartoon. He watched the first episode, tried to watch the second and skipped to the third and did not finish.

          I own many of the figures and will end up only keeping the villains, Icarius is good for customs too.
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          • #6
            I always try to find the redeeming qualities in everything I watch. Many fans dislike the 87 film. I defend as a unique, creative, great sci-fi movie, because I see its merits, and unlike the nerds that hate the film, I've sat down and shared it with many friends, and they like it too.

            NA was an unwatchable mess. Sure He-Man and Skeletor's designs were kind of funky, and we got Slush-Head out of it, but for the most part, NA is a terrible cartoon, which doesn't mirror the original cartoon in the least. Even He-Man and Skeletor's abilities are inconsistent from their previous incarnations. It feels like something completely different, and sadly all that beautiful (and impressive) animation was wasted on dull characters no one cared about.

            NA is just awful and if it was left completely out of MOTUC, no one would have noticed. NA fans are the most vocal online, and least crucial to the success of the brand. With the supposed lowered production runs, and the fact that people are having a hard time finding homes for NA figures, the numbers alone are evidence of the failings of NA.
            Last edited by Sky Runner; 01-03-2015, 06:28 PM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Sky Runner View Post
              I always try to find the redeeming qualities in everything I watch. Many fans dislike the 87 film. I defend as a unique, creative, great sci-fi movie, because I see its merits, and unlike the nerds that hate the film, I've sat down and shared it with many friends, and they like it too.

              NA was an unwatchable mess. Sure He-Man and Skeletor's designs were kind of funky, and we got Slush-Head out of it, but for the most part, NA is a terrible cartoon, which doesn't mirror the original cartoon in the least. Even He-Man and Skeletor's abilities are inconsistent from their previous incarnations. It feels like something completely different, and sadly all that beautiful (and impressive) animation was wasted on dull characters no one cared about.

              NA is just awful and if it was left completely out of MOTUC, no one would have noticed. NA fans are the most vocal online, and least crucial to the success of the brand.
              See, you had me all the way, until the last sentence. That sounds like the ORG in a nutshell. In my opinion, POP fans seem to be the most vocal - but who gives a flying **** who is more crucial to the "success" of the brand?

              Oh, wait, I see you also managed to disenfranchise an entire group of people, nerds, who dislike the 1987 Movie as well. My opinion changes on the film on a yearly basis, but if I hate Gwildor so much that I cannot watch the film, does that make me a nerd?

              For someone who seems to be so concerned about bias and acceptance in other matters, you really need to take a look in the mirror and figure out what you are really trying to do here.

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              • #8
                I have to admit, I'm not a fan of the cartoon, and skipped the NA figures in the Classics line at first, but they've grown on me. Yes, Hydron's a disaster and Karatti is just plain old lame, but I actually dig the rest of the figures. Even Flogg.

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                • #9
                  By the time the New Adventures stuff came out I was a teenager and more interested in music than toys, but what I did see of it made me scoff. I absolutely despise the NA line and refuse to acknowledge it as part of MOTU. I hated the designs, the figures, the cartoons. They completely did away with the sword & sorcery aspect of it, which in my opinion was a huge part of the MOTU appeal. As much as I dislike their inclusion in the classics line, I will grudgingly admit Optikk is pretty cool.

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                  • #10
                    I'm glad that TG made NA more like the space adventures of He-Man, rather than He-Man and Skeletor being trapped in the future, because that future aspect was never explored. We never saw the ruins of the Royal Palace or characters in the history books. No statue of Clamp Champ in some city or anything like that. What happened to Hordak or She-Ra? Who rules Eternia in the future? No Trollans, Widgets or anything.

                    I'm that rare fan who was excited to see NA figures. I was happy that He-Man was back, because when the Vintage line wrapped, I thought that he was gone forever. While I vastly prefer the barbarian feel from the early mini-comics, I saw the new characters as starting over in a new era. He-Man had new allies that continued a certain theme: Hydron was MAA and Flipshot was Stratos. Skeletor did the same: Flogg was Beast Man and Slushhead was Mer-Man. And the mini-comics! I couldn't wait to read more to find out about the new surroundings, but also if there was any information about the old era too (since it was the future).

                    I watched Jetlag, but it was NOTHING like the mini-comics. Still, it did give us some good characters like Sagitar, as well as some supporting characters like Mara, Crita and Sebrian. I like Jetlag's designs for Butthead, Sagitar and Artilla better than the actual toys.

                    Originally posted by Sky Runner View Post
                    I always try to find the redeeming qualities in everything I watch. Many fans dislike the 87 film. I defend as a unique, creative, great sci-fi movie, because I see its merits, and unlike the nerds that hate the film, I've sat down and shared it with many friends, and they like it too.

                    NA was an unwatchable mess. Sure He-Man and Skeletor's designs were kind of funky, and we got Slush-Head out of it, but for the most part, NA is a terrible cartoon, which doesn't mirror the original cartoon in the least. Even He-Man and Skeletor's abilities are inconsistent from their previous incarnations. It feels like something completely different, and sadly all that beautiful (and impressive) animation was wasted on dull characters no one cared about.

                    NA is just awful and if it was left completely out of MOTUC, no one would have noticed. NA fans are the most vocal online, and least crucial to the success of the brand. With the supposed lowered production runs, and the fact that people are having a hard time finding homes for NA figures, the numbers alone are evidence of the failings of NA.
                    I would have noticed. NA fans certainly aren't loud at all, compared to POP or 200X fans, who felt like they had to fight hard for inclusion in the line. In fact, most NA fans are general MOTU fans that like NA as well.

                    You have to remember...as unbelievable as it sounds now, Vintage MOTU failed at the time. Now Vintage MOTU is remembered fondly, but that wasn't always the case! Especially during 1988, with MOTU figures warming store shelves and a flopped movie.

                    Jack Olesker (NA's head writer) said that Mattel tried to distance itself from a sinking ship, which is why NA was so different visually and why there were barely any links to Vintage MOTU.

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                    • Captain Atkin
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                      I think what really killed the vintage toyline was that they stopped making the cartoon. Had the Filmation cartoon kept going with new characters being introduced each season, I think toy sales would have kept going strong. The live-action movie strayed too far from the cartoon that kids loved, and so it didn't catch on. With no new media beyond comics in 87/88, the line was dead. NA strayed even further from what kids had loved, and could never catch on in the same way. The NA cartoon also lacked the magic of the original, which really was lighting in a bottle. Today, when most people think of He-Man, they think of the Filmation cartoons.

                  • #11
                    New Adventures is an awful cartoon, but the MOTUC figures have been excellent (except for Skeletor's armor and Hydron).

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                    • #12
                      NA is certainly not my favorite era as it were (200x being my fave), but I have enjoyed the Classics representations thus far which does indeed include Hydron. Didn't care for the cartoon as a kid, but grew to appreciate it with the DVD releases and Mr. Olesker's notes and such, especially in regards to what he had planned for Season 2. I would love to see the 4H take on Staghorn and Quakke, not to mention Darius and Master Serbian......and Geppel. Yeah, that's right, I said it !

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                      • #13
                        Well put Shecky, I agree with everything you said. Except for me I'd replace 200x with mini comic and Staghorn, Master Serbian......and Geppel to disks of doom Skeletor, Sagitar......and Artilla .lol
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                        • #14
                          Staghorn was cool too. I liked his personality in Jetlag. He was the "Starscream" of the Mutants, but instead of "backstabber", think of someone who had it with Flogg's incompetence and desired new leadership in "Mutiny aboard the Mothership". In that regard, Staghorn was more like Dr. Mindbender.

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                          • GREP-A-TOR
                            GREP-A-TOR commented
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                            Nice, this - this is my language and I need no translator for this statement of truth.

                        • #15
                          NA has some pretty cool character designs. I think they have been some of the most impressive figures in the line. Optikk is in my top 10.
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                            Yeah the NA figs are awesome. Now sit down and watch every NA episode on Youtube and get back to us.

                          • Black Zodac
                            Black Zodac commented
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                            I could care less about the NA cartoons. I haven't watched them in years, and was never a fan of them anyway. The NA action figures that have been made for MOTUC are awesome and should continue.

                        • #16
                          I think a lot of the dislike of the NA characters and figures has to do with the science fiction focus, as opposed to the fantasy-focus of original MOTU. Original MOTU was this grand melting pot of designs from a variety of different genres, with a general 50/50 between science fiction and barbarian fantasy; NA is mostly sci-fi.

                          For some people they need to have all of the vintage MOTU characters redone and in their hands before they'll give NA or POP, or anything new, a shot. I am sure many of the haters will jump on collecting the POP and/or NA characters once the line is completely over. I definitely see those two MOTUC factions becoming difficult or expensive to buy in a few years, as many people are skipping them or selling them off.
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