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    A lot of people are speculating about the end of MOTUO in the internet these days. I would like to know member's opinions about this: Pure conspiracy? The end is really near? Tell me.

  • #2
    I don't go digging for rumors or the latest hot topic. I don't go combing through message boards. I don't need to know that. So I miss out on all the hot gossip. That is fine with me. I don't need or want that.

    So my view will be a bit skewed. Nekkid Stratos/buzz off/sorceress/Jitsu just popped up in my neighborhood. Nothing is on sale, discount or clearance. So I think things are going to be around a bit longer.

    Figures from the other show aren't wide spread. Maybe it will be shortly. So who knows about that line.

    Same with that Masterverse line.

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    • #3
      I don't see the excellent MOTU Origins line ending anytime soon. It definitely appears to be selling relatively well, though there are a plethora of original He-man & original Skeletor figures on shelves - which isn't surprising at all. The other figures seem to either be selling out, or selling well enough that I don't see many of them on shelves. And, the online prices on many of the figures that are HTF (i.e., most of them) are crazy. I.e., if not many people wanted these toys they wouldn't be so overpriced online.

      There are obviously a lot of fans/collectors of the franchise out there. Those of us who grew up on the toys (like me) and want to relive some of their youth are obviously collecting these. And, there is a whole new generation of kids whose parents liked the toys - that are also getting into MOTU.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Siegfried View Post
        A lot of people are speculating about the end of MOTUO in the internet these days. I would like to know member's opinions about this: Pure conspiracy? The end is really near? Tell me.
        Well, a lot of the toys and collectables in general are currently being delayed due to shipping, pricing and manufacturing factors, and people like that idiot (who also claims to be the toy expert and a huge MOTU fan) S. Neitlich keeps enticing the beginning of the end with his dumb videos spreading more BS about MOTU specifically Origins, stuff like that adds to the culminating fear about the line's death.
        Yes there are a lot of repaints and re-usage of parts in Origins at this time, but that's probably because Mattel has already invested in the other concurrent Netflix MOTU lines as well. Any simple "toy expert" should be ale to emphasize such a probability in his /her arguments, but people like that idiot won't gain that many YT views if his arguments aren't controversial enough!

        I'm not saying Origins will beat all the current odds and thrive, but I think it's a bit too early to speculate how things will be before next spring and the new Chinese new year.

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        • #5
          The ex brand manager put out a video on this recently. He makes some points about redecco and whatnot but I think the problem still boils down to distribution. I see some origins on clearance like the evil 2-pack but I still see skus on the pegs. The only thing he said that has me worried is the toys showing up in abundance at the Mattel store.
          “Collective fear stimulates herd instinct, and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd.” ~Bertrand Russell

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          • Mechanizor
            Mechanizor
            Mechlord of Cyborgia
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            "Twinkletwat"
            Dude, you're killing me! LOL... But yeah, he described himself more than one occasion as a toymaker!

            I wonder how things will be with Origins once it starts getting listed on Mattel Creations next year, at least that was their plan!

          • Mathius
            Mathius commented
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            That $150 Orko necklace doesn't count as a great Mattel Creations idea? /s I'm sure women will be rushing to purchase.

          • Andy
            Andy
            Taking the Circular Path
            Andy commented
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            I hear you Mathius, I laughed at that pricetag too. He's cute an all but dayum $150..he ain't that cute or charming. At least it's cooler than the madsaki project they had

        • #6
          I hope not, but I can't say they're marketing this line well, IMHO.

          You've got troop builders (horde troopers and eternian soldiers) being marketed as exclusives when they should be available on the shelves for troop building and they still seem to be producing and distributing the original long hair/open mouth he-man/skeletor figures which are just warming the shelves everywhere while you can't find the other figures (the non he-man/skeletor figures, OR the old sculpt he-man/skeletor).

          I've definitely had one order canceled from EE citing that Mattel notified them they wouldn't be receiving anymore and I've had 2 She-Ra's on order through Amazon since early November that still say "Order Received."

          It also doesn't bode well that I've seen reports of He-Man and Skeletor marked down as low as $4.90 or some such, the Eternian Guard showing up at close-out stores like Big Lots and Amazon has just about marked Battle Cat and Panthor in half since their original retail price as well as recently marking down the Wind Raider and Land Shark in a sale. Modern retail doesn't typically have sales unless something's getting clearanced out, they usually offer a substandard brand for cheaper, which isn't available for toys.

          These appear to be marketed towards collectors AND children, but I haven't heard anything about the Filmation episodes being rebroadcast anywhere, and they've got several competing lines out as well... construx, revelations, the CGI cartoon, the minis... etc.

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          • Andy
            Andy
            Taking the Circular Path
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            I didn't see that fourth paragraph until just now. Those are some serious sales and I hope some real fans got lucky.

            Its almost like Mattel said let the nostalgia sell it and who cares what smart marketing is.

            Anyways, the other site keeps mentioning deep discountdvd and they accept paypal so you almost have a safety guarantee unless cancelled of course.

            Anyone wanting to pre-order some horde troopers...here you go

            https://www.deepdiscount.com/mattel-...u/194735030712

            ETA: For my foreign friends

            https://www.poweractiontoys.shop/pro...verse-origins/
            Andy
            Taking the Circular Path
            Last edited by Andy; 12-30-2021, 01:10 AM.

          • Mathius
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            People are quite obviously buying the line. It's selling. The secondary market alone is proof of that. The problem is that they seem to be over producing certain items (like the open mouth Skeletor and long hair He-Man) while only running the other figures in waves. If they re-ran Waves 1-5, people would buy them. And you would think that would be cheaper than coming up with modified paint schemes and tooling for new Waves.

            But it feels like Mattel is incapable of marketing anything besides Barbie. They don't understand He-Man. They keep rebooting him, pushing him out there until the market bursts and then reboot it again.

            I apologize if I'm repeating something I've said before, but it feels like He-Man always suffers from something I refer to as Batman syndrome. It reminds me of the old Batman toyline where you'd walk into the store and the pegs would be full of different types of batman variants, and nothing else.

            The thing is, girls will generally buy more than one barbie doll because the outfits and makeup are different and Mattel doesn't sell a lot of separate Barbie outfits or market them well. I don't have female children and I'm not a girl and don't claim to be a Barbie expert, but I know that when you walk down what we used to call "the pink aisle" you saw boxes. Not the little pegs that outfits came in.

            Boys don't play with He-Man that way. Yeah, we'll play with the variants if you get them for us, but by and large, most boys are going to pick one He-man they like the best and that is their play time figure. They want the rest of the set to go with it.

            Particularly since He-man has forever been based around a cartoon, whereas Barbie is just a doll with very little mythology, and boys want to be able to emulate what they saw in the cartoon (to an extent.)

            It's actually pretty telling that I watched "Power of Grayskull" for the first time today, and Mark Taylor actually left Mattel because he feared the Mattel executives were starting to treat He-Man like Barbie.

          • Mathius
            Mathius commented
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            Also, as an aside but certainly relevant to the MOTU tooling, I have yet to see the WWE Masters of the Universe in a store, I think I heard they're pre-ordering for Wave 8 of that, but I have no idea where to buy it outside of the internet, which again says something about Mattel's marketing.

        • #7
          I don't expect Origins to end any time soon.
          “We change people through conversation, not through censorship." ― Jay Z

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          • #8
            Seems to be an influx of the deluxe figures, which is a good thing, but also decidedly odd. The mosquitor figures that I had cancelled from EE are now available at Target, along with Ram-Man, Clamp Champ, Hordak (Buzz Saw), and the Battle Armor Skeletor and He-Man, and Wave... 6 I think? The LOP Beast Man, Green Goddess, Stinkor, Webstor, wave is readily hanging on shelves finally.

            It's nice to see some product.

            Reddit is reporting that the WWE MotU line is ending, but the new Super Star line is going to be using Origins molds, which is promising if true.

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            • Mechanizor
              Mechanizor
              Mechlord of Cyborgia
              Mechanizor commented
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              A while back we've reported here that the WWE wave 8 was the last one, and that was in July of last year! and Superstars line is the replacement!
              https://forum.hemanworld.com/forum/m...ars-first-look
              I wonder why Reddit got this info so late?!

            • Mathius
              Mathius commented
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              Thanks for the link. I have no idea. Nor did I know these are Wal-Mart exclusives. That makes it even more puzzling that they put so much money into tooling on these figures. Some of the accessories and parts haven't been used at all in the MOTU line yet. Also, off topic, the knee joints are SO weird on the female figures.

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