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  • Mathius
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    I don't have an answer to that. I'm kinda surprised at the tooling they've spent on WWE figures (god I'm old, it still feels weird to say WWE, not WWF) that they haven't used in Origins. Like why not use the Ram Man armor from Goldberg (I think that's right?) and make a different Ram Man variant, etc.?

    I ended up buying several Becky Lynch and a Stephanie McMahon figure to do some customs hopefully and flesh out the female characters for my buddy's daughter who says Hordak is a "boy's guy."

  • Mechanizor
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    True... Especially Spector; was the most hated character in the Classics line besides Blundor and whatnot! Also, many think that Neitlich left Mattel on bad terms, so why pay tribute to him?
    I could see them probably as a limited Power-Con/Matle Creations exclusive set or something, but then again why spend that tooling money on something like this pack!

  • Mathius
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    These are two of the most polarizing figures in the history of MOTU, so I can't see why they would go that route with so many better options.

  • Mechanizor
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    I hope only Gwildor and Spector were photoshopped and added to the list as an April Fools' prank... I cannot see these two as hot sellers unless the collector is a completist!

  • Siegfried
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    Originally posted by Mathius View Post

    First off, look at today's date and look up holidays on April 1.

    Second, We saw "leaked" news before about a Frosta figure and correct me if I'm wrong all the recent release photos from Mattel (that were posted in the news of this website) did not include pics of Frosta.
    No, these list was revealed yesterday in social media, and MV figures was leaked early last month, check below

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  • Mathius
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    Originally posted by Siegfried View Post
    Social media leaked this info of new figures.

    Mighty Spector in Origins? a Mattel irony?​​​​​​​

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    First off, look at today's date and look up holidays on April 1.

    Second, We saw "leaked" news before about a Frosta figure and correct me if I'm wrong all the recent release photos from Mattel (that were posted in the news of this website) did not include pics of Frosta.

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  • Mechanizor
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    Thanks for sharing...
    Kobra Khan was expected.
    Gwildor; intersting to see him this early!
    Spector; WTF!???... I hope they redesign him completely and git rid of that stupid TM "The Mighty Spector" just to piss Neitlich off!... He might be the first Origins figure to pass on if they kept his basic lame design intact from the Classics!

  • Siegfried
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    Social media leaked this info of new figures.

    Mighty Spector in Origins? a Mattel irony?​​​​​​​

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  • Michael Mercy
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    I'd rather just enjoy it as it's going and not worry about what's going to happen to it. Even if it ends at mass retail, it may still have a second life through online sellers, like how Super7 continued the Classics line for a while.

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  • Mathius
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    I am a Prime member, so I'll consider that. Might as well use the service I'm paying for. I've also got BBTS FF He-Man and TC Skelly on preorder, but I only ordered 1 of each as I have no plans to open them.

    I enjoy the FF He-Man design, but not the gimmick, and the opposite with Skeletor. I like the Terror Claws, but I hate the weird top he has that shows off his mid drift for some reason. I assume at some point someone will offer a 3D printed set of Terror Claws that I can get cheaper than buying a bunch of them just for the claws.

    I absolutely cannot stand Wal-Mart. I've set foot in there only 2-4 times in the last 15 years, so I miss out on a lot of MOTU by not going there. I'm close to 2 different Targets, so I regularly stop in there, but honestly the last 2 Waves have been pretty meh to me and I don't need any extra Striders, Rise of Evils, or the Battle Warrior set or whatever it's called with He-Man/Battlecat. I picked up an extra Panthor when they were on sale last week for $14, but my Targets haven't put them on clearance at all.

    I'd like to grab one more Sorceress at least, and another Buzz Off, and I'm good until the Sun Man wave (I preordered 2 off Amazon). I'm not thrilled with Anti-Eternia He-Man or the Horde Trooper (the damage gimmick always bothered me as a kid as it was always falling apart during play), and I honestly had to think for a minute to even remember Clawful was part of it. (I do enjoy Clawful, but he's not necessarily a favorite.) I don't mind Sun Man, but I don't like that they're adding the entire line. His tag line as "The Greatest Hero of Them All" definitely conflicts with He-Man in general.

    At this point if Whiplash does come out in the next Wave that would be great, but I'd really like to see Kobra Kahn. Overall though, I think I'd spend more money if they re-ran the earlier waves than for any newer figures coming out. It'd be great to see some more PoP figures though, but the minute they start looking like that Dreamworks show, I'm out.

  • Mechanizor
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    Congrats on getting some of the figures in hand... I just got my 2 Flying Fists He-Man figures today from Mattel Creations (of all places!), and I ended up cancelling my BBTS's pre-order on that particular figure!
    I'm still waiting on Buzz-Off and comic Stratos to be fulfilled by Amazon (crossing fingers), but I already got the sorceress and Jitsu from them not long ago!
    I'm just way too lazy to go to Target, but then again I'm extremely on a tight budget these days until things get better financially!

    As for She-Ra, I'd say either you get her via the secondary market, or wait for Mattel to repackage her again at one point if they're planning to introduce more POP into Origins. BTW, If you're an Amazon Prime member, call them up and complain, they might end-up offering you some credit that you could use for future purchases!...

  • Mathius
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    So to add to the stew, the Wave 7 figures are popping up fairly regularly now by me at my most reliable Target. I've successfully bought an extra Buzz off, Sorceress, 2 Jitsus's and more Naked Stratos than I wanted, really, but I thought I might eventually find use for the body for customs.

    I also had EE finally get my pre-order filled for Wave 7, and my Eternian Guard 2 packs.

    However, my 2 She-ra's I ordered back in Nov, were cancelled by Amazon today, which is very disappointing. If they let me place the order, they should have honored it even if they had to fill it from another seller. Replacing them at secondary market prices would/will be expensive.

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  • Mathius
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    Two people on reddit claim to have found Fakers at their local Target. They didn't post a receipt or anything for proof, so I have no idea if this is true or not. It could be an odd shipment that got delayed and located as well, but it would be great if there was evidence they were shipping the earlier waves again like they seem to be doing with the deluxe figures. Unfortunately, I have all the Misquitors and Clamp Champs I need.

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  • Mathius
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    Thanks for the link. I have no idea. Nor did I know these are Wal-Mart exclusives. That makes it even more puzzling that they put so much money into tooling on these figures. Some of the accessories and parts haven't been used at all in the MOTU line yet. Also, off topic, the knee joints are SO weird on the female figures.

  • Mechanizor
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    A while back we've reported here that the WWE wave 8 was the last one, and that was in July of last year! and Superstars line is the replacement!
    https://forum.hemanworld.com/forum/m...ars-first-look
    I wonder why Reddit got this info so late?!

  • Mathius
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    Seems to be an influx of the deluxe figures, which is a good thing, but also decidedly odd. The mosquitor figures that I had cancelled from EE are now available at Target, along with Ram-Man, Clamp Champ, Hordak (Buzz Saw), and the Battle Armor Skeletor and He-Man, and Wave... 6 I think? The LOP Beast Man, Green Goddess, Stinkor, Webstor, wave is readily hanging on shelves finally.

    It's nice to see some product.

    Reddit is reporting that the WWE MotU line is ending, but the new Super Star line is going to be using Origins molds, which is promising if true.

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  • Black Zodac
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    I don't expect Origins to end any time soon.

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  • Mathius
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    Also, as an aside but certainly relevant to the MOTU tooling, I have yet to see the WWE Masters of the Universe in a store, I think I heard they're pre-ordering for Wave 8 of that, but I have no idea where to buy it outside of the internet, which again says something about Mattel's marketing.

  • Mathius
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    People are quite obviously buying the line. It's selling. The secondary market alone is proof of that. The problem is that they seem to be over producing certain items (like the open mouth Skeletor and long hair He-Man) while only running the other figures in waves. If they re-ran Waves 1-5, people would buy them. And you would think that would be cheaper than coming up with modified paint schemes and tooling for new Waves.

    But it feels like Mattel is incapable of marketing anything besides Barbie. They don't understand He-Man. They keep rebooting him, pushing him out there until the market bursts and then reboot it again.

    I apologize if I'm repeating something I've said before, but it feels like He-Man always suffers from something I refer to as Batman syndrome. It reminds me of the old Batman toyline where you'd walk into the store and the pegs would be full of different types of batman variants, and nothing else.

    The thing is, girls will generally buy more than one barbie doll because the outfits and makeup are different and Mattel doesn't sell a lot of separate Barbie outfits or market them well. I don't have female children and I'm not a girl and don't claim to be a Barbie expert, but I know that when you walk down what we used to call "the pink aisle" you saw boxes. Not the little pegs that outfits came in.

    Boys don't play with He-Man that way. Yeah, we'll play with the variants if you get them for us, but by and large, most boys are going to pick one He-man they like the best and that is their play time figure. They want the rest of the set to go with it.

    Particularly since He-man has forever been based around a cartoon, whereas Barbie is just a doll with very little mythology, and boys want to be able to emulate what they saw in the cartoon (to an extent.)

    It's actually pretty telling that I watched "Power of Grayskull" for the first time today, and Mark Taylor actually left Mattel because he feared the Mattel executives were starting to treat He-Man like Barbie.

  • Andy
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    I didn't see that fourth paragraph until just now. Those are some serious sales and I hope some real fans got lucky.

    Its almost like Mattel said let the nostalgia sell it and who cares what smart marketing is.

    Anyways, the other site keeps mentioning deep discountdvd and they accept paypal so you almost have a safety guarantee unless cancelled of course.

    Anyone wanting to pre-order some horde troopers...here you go

    https://www.deepdiscount.com/mattel-...u/194735030712

    ETA: For my foreign friends

    https://www.poweractiontoys.shop/pro...verse-origins/
    Last edited by Andy; 12-30-2021, 12:10 AM.

  • man-e-faces
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    Agree with much of this. Though I don't think the line is in trouble (yet), I do completely agree that they're not marketing this too well. I also don't like that the Eternian soldier set & the Horde Troopers are exclusives and HTF; both should have been mainstream releases, especially given that they're troop-builders. I still haven't gotten either set because they're not available in regular retail stores, and I don't want to pay expensive after-market prices for them. Too bad, since these are both great sets.

    That being said, even the non-exclusive figures can be HTF as well. Disappointing.

    That also being said, they're handling this line better than the underrated 200X MOTU line - but that's not saying much.

  • Andy
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    I hear you Mathius, I laughed at that pricetag too. He's cute an all but dayum $150..he ain't that cute or charming. At least it's cooler than the madsaki project they had

  • Mathius
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    That $150 Orko necklace doesn't count as a great Mattel Creations idea? /s I'm sure women will be rushing to purchase.

  • Mechanizor
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    "Twinkletwat"
    Dude, you're killing me! LOL... But yeah, he described himself more than one occasion as a toymaker!

    I wonder how things will be with Origins once it starts getting listed on Mattel Creations next year, at least that was their plan!

  • Andy
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    Twinkletwat claims to also be a toymaker now. I thought that wasn't his department. Lol

    Anyways about the 8:30 mark he mentions origins getting clearanced but masterverse only getting major sales because of Mattel trying to fund the sales to make up costs and push product.

    I've only seen the origins he-man and skelly with the fugly heads on clearance at walmart. In the other thread I've shown new origins since the clearance left, so to me it looks like they were only clearanced to make way for new origins.

    The evil two pack is the only other clearance I've seen of origins and that's really not saying much. There are sales going on for origins too so what he says can be true for one but not the other?!?

    I don't know man but I truly feel the origins line isn't failing but the distribution is and I bet my vintage ram man that masterverse only gets wave 3 and will go the way of the dodo before origins does.

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